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AH: Now in Denver, to get back from Fort Lupton to Denver, in Denver there was a very yeasty sort of period for journalism there, because all of a sudden you have Japanese Americans depending upon these papers in the free zone. And there's essentially the Colorado Times and the Rocky Nippon which became the Rocky Shimpo, then there's the Utah Nippo. And then there's the other paper in UCLA, the Pacific Citizen. So that is the press for Japanese America. And of course the expansion, the subscription rate has been estimated to be somewhere around ten thousand, which was huge in comparison...

SH: It was the largest newspaper.

AH: Yes, they put that on the banner, the largest newspaper.

SH: It was the largest newspaper; they were so proud of that.

AH: So in a sense you were attached to the "voice of Japanese Americans," and people do a lot of times believe what they read in the newspaper. So now you have a rivalry in your own time.

SH: Yes, the Colorado Times.

AH: Now, did your family know the Kaihara family that --

SH: Kaihara.

AH: Kaihara, yeah, K-A-I-H-A-R-A, right?

SH: Kaihara.

AH: Kaihara, yeah. Did you know them?

SH: I knew, in looking at him, I knew who it was, but I didn't really know him at all.

AH: And did you know the daughter, Bea?

SH: No.

AH: No, you didn't.

SH: She was much older than I was.

AH: Okay. But in the family, was there a sense of them being, for instance, the other, and something of a rivalry?

SH: Yes.

AH: And they were also much more attached to, like, the JACL than your paper, right?

SH: Yes, definitely.

AH: And so how did your family feel about that at the time?

SH: Well, I think that they kind of didn't like them, resented them. And they felt that they were the ones who were trying to get the people to get the newspaper, but then it was like a rivalry, I think.

AH: So they weren't part of the same social circle then?

SH: Not at all. I don't know if there was much of a social circle anyway.

AH: Well, I mean, poetic license, that kind of circle. But you didn't do things with them.

SH: No.

AH: You don't remember seeing them at events, community events?

SH: No.

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