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TI: Before, so after you quit the railroad job, so this is the Great Northern Railroad, when you went back to Tule Lake, did you notice any changes at Tule Lake from the first time you were there, you were out for a while, then you went back in for a little bit?

KT: No, I didn't see any.

TI: Okay. Because I'm thinking about the, kind of the turmoil, because you had the "loyalty questionnaire" and things like that, I was wondering if that ever affected you and your friends.

KT: No, not really. Let's see, when was that? In September of that year they were, segregation started and they were sending, like my folks were supposed to go to Topaz, Utah, and my older brother Frank says he doesn't want to go back, says, "Why don't you go back?"

TI: Back to Utah, you mean?

KT: No, back to Tule Lake from Ontario.

TI: I see, so Frank went with you up to Ontario too.

KT: Well, Frank was in Caldwell, working at Caldwell. He went himself. Anyway, I...

TI: So you and Frank talked because you felt someone should go back and help your parents.

KT: Yeah, so I said, "Okay, I'll go back." And I went back and I helped the family move to Topaz.

TI: Okay. And that was so your parents, the way they filled out the "loyalty questionnaire," or the leave clearance form, was, I guess, "yes-yes" in terms of those questions and things like that?

KT: I don't know what my parents put or filled out or what. I said, "We got two brothers in the service, so why would I put no?"

TI: And at what point did you fill that out? Were you at Tule Lake to fill it out, or were you --

KT: Yeah, Tule Lake. I was...

TI: Okay, so you saw all that. Now, when you, when people were filling that out, was it a difficult time in camp? Was there a lot of tension? Do you recall?

KT: I don't know. I don't... different, that Tule Lake is a huge camp and we hear things that this happened or that happened, but I'm not really sure. They had meetings. I remember going to a meeting on the yes or no or this and that, so some of the guys said they would answer yes on one and put no on the other and things like that. So I don't know.

TI: Okay.

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