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Title: Mo Nishida Interview II
Narrator: Mo Nishida
Interviewer: Martha Nakagawa
Location: Los Angeles, California
Date: January 9, 2012
Densho ID: denshovh-nmo-02-0013

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Mo N: Let me just add where I'm at right at the exact moment, okay? At this exact moment, I am a revolutionary out of water. But with the things that are beginning to happen all over the world and in our community, I see that I might be around with this next rising that's gonna take place. With that statement about the next rising, I just want to say that I have been able to find some kind of balance in my life by integrating Marxism, Leninism, Maoism, Third Worldism. Understanding of 21st century revolutionary nationalism. All of us have a good... who come from a people, an ethnic people, have a right to live as ethnic people. We don't have to, but we have a right to, as long as we don't put other people down. And we have a right to live and enjoy the fruits of our labors and the labors of humanity so that there's enough to go around in the planet for everybody on this planet. So that socialism is a viable alternative. It's a hell of a lot more viable than capitalism and imperialism. I would wish that people would take a hard look at that.

And that Buddhism has helped me understand that this law that Marx shared with us is not something that white man invented, it's something that he discovered that was part of the law, and that law is the mystic law. So mystic law is dialectical materialism. And in that Buddhism, too, Buddhism teaches that all of us have these ten worlds that we live in: hell, hunger, animality, anger, tranquility, ecstasy, knowledge, self realization, bosatsu, and Buddhahood. And the bosatsu lifestyle is to serve the people, to help others to achieve enlightenment. And you bring this into focus around the revolutionary teachings, then you realize that every human being on this planet is capable of becoming a revolutionary, becoming a bosatsu, to help other people live to achieve enlightenment, live a good life. And one of the concrete ways you do that is you do ceremonies, like this Red Road, learn how to live in harmony with the planet, with the environment, and like in Narcotics Anonymous or in the Fellowship, you have a way where you concretely help people that need help, that could use your help, that are seeking help. You can't help nobody that don't want to help themselves. But if the person is seeking, trying to get well, then you sure as hell put your hand out, right? So the Native Red Road is the same thing, it teaches that we're supposed to help each other. So everything, all these teachings come back to a basic point that the white man want to argue about. "Oh, yeah, we're basically evil," or, "We're basically good," and all that kind of stuff. But Buddhism puts it into a clear spectrum. You've got all these kind of characteristics, the positive and negative of it, and that, yeah. So what do you do? You pick the positive part that you want, and you work on it, and that's serve the people. Adios. [Laughs]

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