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TI: Anything memorable about that, kind of that day when you were at the ferry dock and leaving the island? Anything that stands out? So you mentioned a lot of Caucasian people to see you off.

TK: Right.

TI: What else? Anything about, like the soldiers, anything about the soldiers you can remember?

TK: I know that some of the soldiers must have felt sorry for us because they were, I think that they were pretty helpful in making the evacuation as easy as possible, if you want to put it that way. But again, they had their duties, what they had to do.

TI: So when you say they tried to make it as easy as possible, what would be an example of them making it easy?

TK: I think some of it was carrying the luggage of the older people, stuff like that.

TI: And how about their kind of demeanor? I mean, were they stern or, or how would you describe them?

TK: I guess they were stern, but from my understanding they were, there was even some that were, I don't know what you call it, trying to be friendly with some of the girls. [Laughs]

TI: There is, I guess with Seattle P-I, took lots of pictures and some of them were, I guess as you were walking down, the dock. Have you seen those pictures, those pictures of the, can you find you in those pictures as people are walking down the dock? I was wondering if you were in those pictures.

TK: No, I haven't seen that many pictures of the group, but when I was at Manzanar there was one picture of a group going to the train. My sister was able to recognize some of the people in that picture, but I couldn't recognize them.

TI: Okay. So you walk down the dock to go to the ferry.

TK: Right.

TI: And you're on the ferry. What was the mood of the Japanese on the ferry as you would go to Seattle? Any conversations or discussions about what was, what was happening?

TK: You know, my, that part of my memory is blank.

TI: So how about when you get to Seattle? Describe what happens once you get to Seattle.

TK: After we got to Seattle we were, they had the train parked on the, I guess on Alaskan Way, and we were herded on that train.

TI: So directly from the ferry you would walk to the train?

TK: The train, yeah.

TI: So again, I've seen pictures of this, and as you're walking to the train there were quite a few people in Seattle --

TK: That were watching, yeah.

TI: -- who were watching. I mean, there's one, there's this, I think it's like a pedestrian overpass and you just see, oh, maybe a hundred people.

TK: Watching there, yeah.

TI: Do you remember that, people watching?

TK: No, I don't remember that.

TI: Okay, but you've seen some of these pictures.

TK: I've seen the pictures, right.

TI: But you weren't aware of that when you were going from the ferry to the...

TK: No, no.

TI: Okay. And tell me what you were carrying. How much did you have to carry from the ferry to the train?

TK: [Laughs] As far as the, far as our luggage goes, I'm not exactly sure how our luggage got from the ferry to the train, because looking at those photos I don't see people carrying any luggage.

TI: So maybe somehow they, the luggage, once they got it on the ferry someone moved onto the train.

TK: Onto the train.

TI: That would make sense.

TK: Because, and even at the other end, I don't remember carrying the luggage off the train onto the bus.

TI: So maybe a lot of that was once it was in transit they would just move it as a group.

TK: As a group, yeah.

TI: And then just, when you got to Manzanar they just had a big pile of it, right? You had to --

TK: You had to identify your own, yeah.

TI: That would make sense.

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