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TI: So let's, let's talk about you, because you came along in 1950, so this is when, San Rafael, but you have an older brother. And what's your older brother's name, the one born --

PJH: Larry.

TI: Larry?

PJH: Uh-huh.

TI: And any other siblings?

PJH: No.

TI: Okay, so Larry was '45 and then you were in 1950.

PJH: Five years' difference, yeah.

TI: And, and in terms of what people called you, was it always PJ?

PJH: No. You know, I can't remember what they because I think I had a number of nicknames, like Jojo, Stinky... I'm sure there was a Patti Jo. I was supposed to be Patricia, but my grandma could not pronounce that, so it went to Patti Jo. No, I don't really remember what my name was. [Laughs]

TI: Did, like your friends and things, you don't remember once you started school?

PJH: Well, from school I know it became Patti. Yeah.

TI: And, and do you know what, so when did it change to PJ?

PJH: Oh, that was after high school.

TI: So you can always, it's always interesting when I do this because when I was younger people always called me Tommy, my, my friends, but then at some point it just went to Tom. But you can always, my kids can always tell, when I'm out --

PJH: When your friends are?

TI: My friends, at what era these different, how they, they, what they call me. So probably same with you, there're people that will call you Patti and some PJ, and they can quickly know what era they came from.

PJH: Yeah. Same with me. I do recall having quite an identity problem with my name, because that was my given name. I didn't have a middle name. Patti Jo was my first name, so there weren't too many people that had, like, two names for the first name. And filling out, when you were able to fill out first name, middle name, it's like, where do I put the space, you know? [Laughs] I really had a hard time, and then I didn't have a middle name, I kind of felt left out, so there was kind of like this angst just being in my name.

TI: Well, so I should ask this, so legally, what was the name given to you at birth?

PJH: Patti Jo.

TI: So, and it was all together, Patti Jo or was it Patricia?

PJH: It's P-A-T-T-I space capital J-O. Patti Jo is my first name.

TI: Okay.

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