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MN: Now, in September 1943, you returned to National College as a sophomore. How did you feel about returning?

TI: Oh, I was glad to go, yes. Because it's so nice outside.

MN: And then you said this, this time around, Yuri went with you?

TI: Yes, Yuri went with me, so that was really nice.

MN: And during your sophomore year, you met Mr. Patrick?

TI: Yes.

MN: Can you share with us... now, he offered you a job as a counselor, camp counselor?

TI: Camp counselor, yeah.

MN: At Camp Adventure in North Carolina. Can you share with us what this job was, what it entailed?

TI: Well, I had met Mr. Patrick, his name was Patrick Patrick, a good old Irishman. And he had come to attend the Methodist National Conference, the Methodist Church's national conference. And so he came to our school because he knew the president, and at that time, I was assigned to sit with the president, at the president's table. And so I met him, and he offered me a job in North Carolina at his school's summer camp establishment. So I accepted, and I went.

MN: Now, when you traveled to North Carolina, was this the first time you became aware of the whites and blacks only?

TI: Yes, yes.

MN: Now, when you saw the separation, what did you think?

TI: Well, it sort of threw me for a while, and I went to the "black" restroom and I looked in there. It looked so dirty that I went to the "white" restroom and hoped that nobody would object. And the drinking fountains were that way, too. I was surprised.

MN: But you always went to the "white" one?

TI: Uh-huh.

MN: And no one harassed you?

TI: No.

MN: Now, how did the staff at Camp Adventure treat you?

TI: Well, they all knew that I was coming, and so it was very comfortable and they were very friendly.

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