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MN: Now, you worked at Enbun and Mr. Taro Kawa, the head of Enbun, was big JACL person.

FS: Right. Yeah, he was JACL. I didn't, I didn't talk about him, about JACL, because I didn't, I didn't like the JACL. [Laughs]

MN: So was it difficult to work at Enbun?

FS: No, it wasn't difficult. It was, because the other manager, he would tell me, "You've got to start, got to start puttin' up the fruit for us," I mean the vegetable, so he would tell me do this and do that, but once I got on the, finish all that and doing the grocery, putting up the grocery can, I would, I would go out there and just count how much I need and I go down there and I think the manager and, was it Taro Kawa? He would come say, "How'd you remember all that?" I'd say, "It's easy to remember all that. This one needs six, I need five of this and so on." I'd go downstairs, picking it up, he said, "Well, darn." He didn't know how I could remember all that. [Laughs]

MN: But you never talked about the war years with Mr. Kawa, or anybody at the store?

FS: Talking about what?

MN: The war years.

FS: War years?

MN: What, like did they ask you, "What camp were you in?"

FS: No, they never did. Never did. Probably, if I said something he might not have liked it. I don't know.

TI: So is there anything else you want to say for the record? I mean, all our questions are done, so you're all finished, but I just want to give you an opportunity, if there's anything else that maybe we didn't ask that you want to share.

FS: No, that's about... only thing I want to say was, is that in the tape or what? "Are you one of those guys?"

TI: Oh, the, when the...

FS: Tule Lake. "You're one of those guys from Tule Lake?" That I didn't want to hear, because, because we were, like I said, we were a group that was put over there and the rest of the group went different camps. That's the only thing I wanted to stress, that we were in there from the beginning, so you can't be tellin' me, "You're one of those guys."

TI: Good. Okay, so that's, that's on the record, too.

FS: Oh, that's on the record? Oh, okay.

TI: Well so, thank you so much.

FS: That's alright. Oh, I was gonna say about the whatchamacall. Is it in here?

TI: Is that the Florin, or the, the map?

FS: Was it this one or what? Oh, here it is.

TI: Oh, the...

FS: That's Tule Lake. [Indicates map of Tule Lake]

TI: Okay.

FS: See? That's, that's where they, that's Alaska, way out there.

TI: I see. Okay, good.

FS: So the whatchamacall is around here someplace, the stockade. Not on there? should be around here someplace. No?

TI: I can't... it's over this way? The motor pool...

FS: Motor pool?

TI: Is it... yeah, I don't see it.

FS: I thought I saw it.

MN: Wasn't it next to the motor pool?

FS: This is Ag. building.

TI: Yeah, so the motor pool's right down here, but I don't see...

FS: The motor pool's right here. So this is the motor pool area, and it should've been... I'm looking for the stockade part.

MN: That map might be, have been made before the stockade was built.

FS: It, it had to be near, close to the fence, I mean, this fence here. I can't say for sure.

TI: Yeah, okay good. Well, Fred, Fred, thank you so much for the interview. This was, I learned a lot, so thank you so much.

FS: You learned a lot? I hope. [Laughs]

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