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TI: Okay. I was gonna ask, Martha, any other ideas or questions? Okay, so Martha just reminded me, inspection, the inspection day while you're in the stockade. Do you remember that?

FS: While I was in the stockade?

TI: Yeah, when you were in the stockade, was there, there was, like, an inspection where they went through and wanted to find things like... oh, now I remember. So at one point, and there's, there are pictures I've seen, but they used to line everyone up in the stockade. Do you remember any incident about being lined up or anything like that?

FS: I guess, more or less they wanted a head count, so they line up right against the barrack. And I think right after that, I think they start, maybe that's when they start putting the people's name down on the paper. I think that's, I'm not positive, but that might have, that's what happened, I think, after that. Even though the, if you, I don't think you could see it clearly, but people that were lined up outside, outside like that, there was, there was a Jeep, Jeep with a gun pointed at us, machine gun pointed at us, and then another one. I think there was two. One was, seemed like one was a, one was a tank, and they were both, both of the guns were pointed at the whole group there. So I thought what the hell are they gonna do? Are they gonna shoot us? So that's, that's all I could say about...

TI: And so when you saw the Jeep and the tank with machine guns with, pointed at you, did you ever fear for your life or your safety?

FS: Yeah, I was, I was kind of worried of what was gonna happen. Are they gonna shoot us, you know.

TI: And how many times did that happen?

FS: Only that one time, that one time that happened.

TI: Do you recall the reason they lined everybody up? Was it a punishment or anything like that?

FS: No. No, nobody got punished, so that I...

TI: Do you recall did that have anything to do with the hunger strike, whether it was before or after the hunger strike, or anything like that?

FS: You got me there. I'm not, I'm not sure which way that was.

TI: Okay, that's good. So, Martha, can you think of anything else about the stockade? I mean, the stockade and what you went through is pretty significant historically, so we're trying to, to try to get any other information or details because not much has been documented about this.

FS: No, that's, that's about all I could say. Even the guys that we used to work together, he came out from the motor pool and he would, we were facing that way, facing that way, so that would be south, and two, two guys that I used to work with and they walked by then. I was trying to talk to them. He said, "No, I can't, we can't talk too much because there's a, there's a guard up there looking down at us." So even they didn't want to talk to us because they might get shot, so you know.

TI: So there's a lot of security around there.

FS: I know who they were, too. I know their names, who went by there.

TI: Okay.

MN: The stockade has been destroyed, so can you tell us how big, how many barracks the stockade was?

FS: There was, I would say, only, see, two barracks are facing this way, where we're sleepin'. They were facing east and west. And there was another, there was another place where, I think it was the kitchen and everything where we -- mess hall. I don't know if we used the mess hall, mess hall for those guys, for whoever comes in after to check up on, I don't know if that was the same place or not. That's all I can remember is this two, just the two barracks and one mess hall and a meeting place or whatever. That's about all I can remember.

MN: How much contact did you have with Leupp group?

FS: Not, not too much. I didn't know, I didn't know who was... well, I knew one guy that was in there, that came from Leupp, anyway. [Interruption] He was a Terminal, a Terminal Island, Terminal Island boy, so he would, if he doesn't like somebody he'll whatchamacall about it. He never did bother me. Soon as he saw me in the camp, he, not in the stockade, he never did bother me. That's the funny part, was I might look tough, but I ain't. [Laughs] So anyway, this guy was a big guy, so I don't bother people.

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