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JG: So you enter into the mortuary business, and I'm... at what point did you, at what point did you meet your, your wife?

GF: Pam? I probably met Pam, when did I meet Pam? 1984/'85, around there, I met her and I met her through Nisei Week, 'cause she was one of the princesses on the court. And I knew her, and then she started working downtown and I wasn't interested with her at the time. She was working at Merit Savings and Loan, and because I knew her I said, "Hey, let's go out for lunch." So we went to have lunch, and then my sister was pregnant, became pregnant and so she had to take off for a while, so we needed someone to help cover for her, so I knew Pam was quitting Merit so I asked her if she wanted to work just temporarily 'til my sister came back, and that's basically how I met her. So we got married around 1987, and then married for twelve and a half years and we got divorced about ten years ago. But when people -- and she's remarried now -- when people see her they think we're still married. I mean, I go golfing with her husband. I went over there for dinner last night, so we have a very... we did get divorced. We got divorced because of differences between us two, and we talked and we says, "You know, no matter what, whatever the differences are between you and I, let's promise never ever to allow it to filter down to our children, never let it affect them." And we never did. And even after we separated, before the divorce was final, I still lived at home and we would act normal. We would have dinner together, we would talk normal, and so when the divorce was final then I moved out and I got my own place, and she sold the house and bought another house. And she's in quite close proximity to me but remained, remained friends ever since, probably closer friends now than when we were married. In fact, I employ her. She works for me a little bit, does data entry stuff. And her mother still works for me. Her mother used to work for me even before we got divorced. She used to cook for us, and so she still does.

JG: Did, was there ever any... when, as you two were, were dating and leading up into marriage, was there any, every any discussion about what it was that you did for a living?

GF: No, she already knew what I did for a living. Yeah, she already knew. It never bothered her. Yeah.

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