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TI: So you mentioned how, when she was pregnant with her first child, they went from the Imperial Valley to San Diego. So let's talk about your siblings.

HN: Siblings. My, that older, oldest one, unluckily, passed away about ten days after the birth. And that was the thing they were trying to avoid, but it happens.

TI: Okay, so the first one, so it didn't live. And then after that, what happened?

HN: After that my, another, Paul Naito, he was born in 1923. Three years older, so I guess it's, it was 1923.

TI: Okay, so you were the second?

HN: Yeah, second.

TI: Okay, so Paul, then Hank Hitoshi,1926. And after you?

HN: It was John.

TI: John.

HN: And John, when was he born? I think it was 1930, '30 or '31. Maybe later.

TI: About four or five years younger.

HN: Yeah, four maybe.

TI: Okay, good. And you mentioned you were born in San Diego. How long did you live in San Diego?

HN: I was born, and by the time I realized where I was, I was in Terminal Island. So it was, we must have moved in my early childhood.

TI: So really no memories of San Diego.

HN: No memory. If I really think back, look at some of the pictures, I used to remember vaguely, but that's gone. Now I can't pinpoint it. We lost a lot of family pictures, albums and so forth, because of the incarceration.

TI: Okay, that's fine. Let's talk about Terminal Island. You mentioned your father went to San Diego, did he start fishing then, in San Diego?

HN: Yes, he started fishing in San Diego. Because he knew friends from the Shizuoka -- he's from Shizuoka prefecture and there were some people, Shizuoka prefecture, who was in the fishing industry, and I think that's where, how he got it started.

TI: And in San Diego did he, at that point, did he own his own boat?

HN: That I don't know. I don't remember, but in Terminal Island he owned his own boat. It was a small boat, but, you know...

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