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TI: So at this point, you and your brother who were U.S. citizens renounced your citizenship with this, this paper.

HN: Yes, right.

TI: Then explain to me what happened after that.

HN: My brother was first sent to -- after the renunciation -- he was sent to Santa Fe, alien internment camp. And then, one month later, I was sent to Bismarck.

TI: Was there ever any consideration to send you to the same camp as your brother?

HN: There were, we... I don't know whether they considered that or not, but we were separated. We didn't have any option or choice.

TI: So you were eighteen years old, and they sent you to Bismarck. And the only way they could do that was if you had renounced your citizenship, because Bismarck was an internment camp for --

HN: It was alien, enemy alien internment camp.

TI: -- "enemy aliens." Who else went with you to Bismarck, when you went to Bismarck?

HN: Oh, my friends. That's about, you know... it was no relative. Just by myself, and my friends.

TI: Before you left Tule Lake, before you left your parents, did you have any conversations with your father or mother about leaving and going to Bismarck?

HN: Bismarck? Yeah, I says, well, the only thing I remember is, "Well, let's hope we'll be able to get together sometime in our life."

TI: Did your father tell you anything about Bismarck, because you mentioned he had been at Bismarck?

HN: Yeah, he mentioned that it was very cold place. That's about the only thing he mentioned.

TI: But before you left they said somehow, or, "We have to get back together."

HN: Yes, right. "Let's hope we'll be able to get back together."

TI: Before your brother had left for Santa Fe, did you have any conversations with him about getting together, or anything else?

HN: Well, it's the same thing. Hope. "Let's hope."

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