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TI: Okay, so let's talk about that. Can you describe all the children, like... we'll start from the oldest and we'll just kind of describe each one.

HH: She's the first. [Referring to sister]

TI: Okay, so that's...

HH: Kazue.

TI: And then who was second?

HH: Miyoko, another female. And then Tsuyuno, and then came --

TI: Can you spell that?

HH: T-S-U-Y-U-N-O.

TI: Okay.

HH: And then Etsuro, the first son. And then came Masaye, then me.

TI: Okay, so you were one, two, three, four, five, six?

HH: Yeah. I'm the last girl. Then my brother, Katsusuke, and then the last one, Keishi.

TI: Good, okay. So big family.

HH: Oh, yeah. Those days everybody big.

TI: Why was that? Why was it big families during that time?

HH: You don't have the knowledge you have today. [Laughs]

TI: Oh, so child, or birth control.

HH: That's right.

TI: I see.

HH: They all were about eight, nine. Most families.

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