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TI: And so it's kind of hazy going from Manzanar to Tule Lake. Do you recall at all, like, the first time you went to Tule Lake and how it seemed versus Manzanar? Just feeling-wise, did it seem about the same or were there differences?

SM: That's what I don't remember, you know. I hardly remember, I don't remember hardly anything about Tule Lake.

TI: Is there a feeling about Tule Lake? Was it a more difficult experience?

SM: I don't know. I just remember we used to run around camp, you know, doing our exercise and whatnot. And the rest of the time that they came to pick us up, I remember that. But other than that, I don't hardly remember anything.

TI: So things like when you're at Tule Lake, at Manzanar you were able to hike outside. Did you ever hike outside at Tule Lake, like Castle Rock?

SM: No, not that I remember.

TI: And was there a sense, because the security was maybe tighter at Tule Lake?

SM: It could have been tighter.

TI: How about the people that, do you recall any of the people from Manzanar at Tule Lake? You mentioned your family, but were there any other people that you...

SM: Oh, yeah. There was a group that went to Tule Lake, but like I say, Tule Lake is a blank. I don't know why it is, but it's a blank.

TI: That's fine. I'm going to ask Barbara, do you have any questions about Tule Lake that you'd like to maybe ask and see if there's anything.

BT: Yeah, well, we sort of sifted over, I guess, some of the issues at Tule Lake, but there's just no recollection.

SM: Yeah. That's real funny, you know.

BT: No, it's common. It's very common. Many people have just blanked out that period.

SM: I remember going to Tule Lake, and there's a few things I remember, that we used to run around camp. And the time they came to pick us up early in the morning.

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