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TI: Yeah, I want to go back. So your father came to Manzanar when your family was there. I'm curious, did, had your father changed at all in that time period when he was away from the family? Did you see anything different about him in terms of his physical appearance or emotional?

SM: No, I didn't see any big difference, it was just the same, I would say.

TI: And when he talked about his experience, was he bitter about it, angry about it? Anything like that, do you recall?

SM: Well, it was just overall bitterness, I would say.

TI: So you, your brother, your parents, it sounds like, answered "no-no" on the questionnaire. So what happened next after that? I mean, so other families did a similar thing. Did you go to Tule Lake with a group, or can you describe sort of the journey from Manzanar to Tule Lake, and who else went with you?

SM: You know, I don't know exactly how we got there. I know we went by train, but like I've been telling Barbara, from about that time 'til the time I went to Santa Fe, there's not much I remember. [Laughs]

TI: Well, then, before we go to Tule Lake, so Manzanar, before you left, do you recall saying goodbye to anyone before you left, or what that was like?

SM: God... we must have said our goodbyes. [Laughs] But, like, I hardly remember any, any of that.

TI: So I looked at an earlier picture of you, you were a really good-looking young man. Did you have, like, girlfriends or people that you had to say goodbye to?

SM: No. I didn't have any special girlfriend or anything. [Laughs]

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