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TI: And so eventually everything had to be sold, and the family went to Puyallup?

TK: Yes, "Camp Harmony."

TI: So can you describe what that was like, going to "Camp Harmony"?

TK: Well, first, I remember getting on the army bus, which was, they had sent it to, in front of Collins Playfield. I remember going there with just two bags, that's all we could carry. And getting loaded on the bus, and I don't remember the trip to Puyallup, even. Of course, we were blocked off with the side.

TI: Now, did you go with your whole family?

TK: Yes, yes.

TI: So there were six kids, your parents...

TK: There was eight of us.

TI: So a pretty large group.

TK: Yeah, each of us had a number.

TI: But then your, but in your case, your family, the kids were all pretty grown up. I mean, you were twenty-four...

TK: Well, Mary Jane was only a teenager, grade school yet. I was the oldest.

TI: Yeah, but some families had, like, babies and things like that. So that must have been harder for them.

TK: Yes.

TI: At least in your case, everyone could carry their...

TK: I was twenty-three, twenty-four, I guess. But what can you do with a soldier there with a gun in your back, almost?

TI: And so how did that make you feel? Here you are, you're a U.S. citizen, you have a college education, you were a city employee, and this was all happening to you. What did you think?

TK: Well, I think at that time, I was like a sheep, I think, following orders. Others fought that, and I admire them for fighting it. But no, I just followed orders like a sheep. [Laughs]

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