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Title: Gordon Hirabayashi Interview IV
Narrator: Gordon Hirabayashi
Interviewer: Tom Ikeda
Location: Seattle, Washington
Date: February 17, 2000
Densho ID: denshovh-hgordon-04-0004

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TI: What I wanted to do was to now go to, staying with the marriage, and the reaction of others as the relationship progressed. Eventually, in Spokane, the two of you went to the court to get a marriage license. Why don't you start, pick the story up there in terms of the reaction of people as that happened.

GH: Well, just like some of the things that occurred to me as I was living through the war period, and confronting something like curfew, and then later uprooting, forced removal, and how my interest in doing things that would be consistent with what I believed was fairness and good citizenship. I took those steps as I faced them. What I'm trying to say here is, I didn't have an overall picture -- I'm going to object to these things, and I'm going to approve of these things, and then have an overall position. I had certain basic principles that I believed in and had it guide me in my particulars. And I wanted to be consistent as much as I could to build on that as I lived. And so when I, when I was following curfew as much as I disapproved of it, I cooperated with it until a question hit me. And it only required that question, "Why am I running back and my dorm mate's not?" Immediately, I couldn't answer that question and continue following the curfew and say that I can accept it. I had to object. I turned around and went back. In the same way, exclusion order. I, even though I had decided that curfew, I'm gonna ignore it, I expected to be on the last bus to go to Puyallup. When the question hit me, "How could I go if I couldn't accept curfew? This is much more intense violation," though it's the same basic violation. And it only required that particular question to be phrased at me. And when that hit me, I know I couldn't do it. And this is the way that I was facing these other things, intermarriage.

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