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AI: Well, and then you then had two more children. After Larry...

EH: (Yes), (yes). Larry, Larry and Candy -- well, I had three, actually, two years apart. Interestingly enough, when Larry came along, that was very exciting for the whole church, and Fred Shorter said, "We're going to have a dedication, we're going to have a children's dedication day." And they didn't, baptism was not that big of an issue for that church, but, and Fred said, "We are all Larry's godfathers." And so you think of the term "a village makes a child," now, but in those days, they were all willing to take on. But it, that was a learning experience. That church folded up, that church also was the church that called Walt Hundley into Seattle. Walt had finished Yale, and they were particularly interested in getting a black associate minister. And it was great that Walt accepted, and... and then the church fell apart, but it was great that Walt was here in the city, because henceforth, he was a figure, a significant figure for the city.

AI: So it sounds like what first drew Walt Hundley out to Seattle was to be associate minister at this church.

EH: (Yes). He had finished Yale Divinity School, and after the church fell apart, then he -- incidentally, I remember that half of the, well, most of the young people in that church became part of University Unitarian, and I remember that one Sunday, Walt and I were both on toddler-sitting duty -- [laughs] -- at the church. 'Cause we both had two-year-olds, and, but after Church of the People -- when I got pregnant with Larry, then I had to quit. And, but I was in a interesting situation, because the church, the YMCA was in a residential house, and they had a craft room, a big craft room run by a Bill Danner, who, who taught mostly leather work. But Fay Chong, who was a well-known Chinese artist, had, was teaching watercolor classes. Priscilla was around, and I, I they had two kids, Bruce and... I forgot what the daughter's name was. But, so they were around a lot. There was a somebody Booth who was a ceramic engineer professor, and their kids around. Lou Gellerman, who became crew coach for UW, was also a teenager, a thirteen-year-old, and I used to have to dodge, summertime I used to have to dodge Lou Gellerman and his gang shooting water pistols right across my typing table, and, or typing desk, and, but eventually, it was interesting because Larry became coxswain on the freshman crew, and so I got, I didn't get reacquainted, but Gellerman and I used to talk about the YM.

There was a YWCA, one-room office upstairs. I should remember her name. Lillian Hayashi, who's active now in Seattle, was a secretary. And I don't, I think her husband must have been in, at the university. But that, that residential building was being torn down, and the present building, which is a significantly different kind of building now at Twelfth, Twelfth Northeast and Fiftieth. So then we had to move into a small gym that was donated by one of the churches that, and that was the only building left standing, and so we took an area about the size of this room as the office, along with a noisy furnace, and a wall was built so that we didn't encounter the basketball. But there was absolutely no plumbing. And when you're pregnant, you've gotta have bathroom facilities close by. So that was a hassle, and the neighbors were very good, allowed me to come running into their kitchen, through their kitchen. But we tolerated that for, I don't know. It seems to me six or eight months, because the house had to get knocked down and there was a big hole by the time I left. And I didn't get back to the YMCA until about ten years ago when Group Health had a contract for an exercising class called Silver Sneakers, and that was the closest one to my residence in Ravenna, so I got back into that building. I used to chuckle and tell the secretaries and the directors about what it was like fifty years ago. But after that --

AI: So, excuse me, I wanted to just double-check when Candy, Candace was born.

EH: Uh-huh.

AI: Was she born in 1953?

EH: (Yes).

AI: And then two years later...

EH: Peter.

AI: In 1955, Peter was born?

EH: Uh-huh.

AI: And during this -- well, and, of course, you had another son a little bit later, that was Mark?

EH: Uh-huh.

AI: And he was born in 1959?

EH: Right.

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