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AI: Well, another thing I wanted to ask about was, we had talked a little bit about the redress movement, or redress activities and the, of course, the redress commission hearings. And those were held around the country in 1981. And I was wondering if you or Betty or anyone that you knew of were involved with those hearings or went to testify or went to listen to the commission hearings?

AS: Yeah, the Elsa Kudo and Eigo Kudo went to Hawaii -- I mean, not Hawaii, went to Chicago and they were involved in that.

AI: And they testified?

AS: Testified, yeah.

AI: Well, because I was thinking that at that time, there were, your story of the Peruvians was very little-known.

AS: Uh-huh.

AI: And, so I was wondering whether any...

AS: In fact, Elsa Kudo, Elsa's father, who was Seiichi Higashide, she wrote the book Adios to Tears.

AI: Right. Right, I think that was one of the earliest books published on that.

AS: Uh-huh, right.

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