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RM: Before you get in the army, compare, can you compare Tule and Minidoka? Are they comparable? I think, for example, Minidoka --

JK: I would say it's black and white, almost. Tule Lake, you never got to see anybody outside the camp, never got to really go outside the camp until -- just before we left, they would permit us to go to hike up to the top of this Castle Rock Mountain, or they would call one Abalone Hill, which was a flat hill, oftentimes looked like a abalone. And I remember having our last Easter service in a, Christian youth group, high school group, up on the top of Castle Rock, as a group.

RM: And Minidoka?

JK: That's, Minidoka, boy, if you wanted to go out and buy something, a suit or something, or go out of the camp and get married, or whatever, you got to do that.

RM: Passes were more easy.

JK: Oh, they're much more lenient, and the people received you a little better, I would guess. But nobody got out of Tule Lake to even take a walk.

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